Unicode - Support?

[mandrael]

Without any doubt this is the smoothest wordprocessing-program I've ever used! I enjoyed the pleasant user-interface and the great amount of useful features like the backup-function. It was a long search to find a powerful, but non-bloated (and therefore quick) wordprocessor. Just write and don't struggle with handling the program!

But can I also use this program with Unicode-signs of foreign languages? I tried to insert Unicode-signs from the Notepad. But there only appeared similar standard-signs..
Is there a way to use this signs in Atlantis? (I've the version 1.5.1.4)

Thanks for any hint
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[Robert]

But can I also use this program with Unicode-signs of foreign languages? I tried to insert Unicode-signs from the Notepad. But there only appeared similar standard-signs..
Is there a way to use this signs in Atlantis? (I've the version 1.5.1.4)

Thanks for any hint
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http://mgasperl.at.tf

Hi!
Which foreign languages do you mean?
Could you please be more specific?
Cheers,
Robert

[Max_Quordlepleen]

Here's a good link for any who are unclear about what Unicode is
What Is Unicode?

[admin]

You can insert nearly any symbol or character (except letters of the Far-East languages) in Atlantis through the "Insert | Symbol..." dialog.
For example, if you want to insert Polish or Hebrew characters, select the desired font (for example, "Arial") in the "Insert | Symbol..." dialog, then choose the required language (Polish, or Hebrew, or any other) in the same dialog.

[luha]

Me, too! I would also like support for Unicode. I use Atlantis all the time - but in Word (even my old Word -97) i get support for a lot of interesting glyphs. I sometimes need to use the Latin long s (which was normal in print, even in English, up to ca. 1800 - look at the facsimiles of Shakespeeare's works on the net!) Microsoft fonts support Unicode (all have long s), not to mention my favorite: Junicode! (http://www.engl.virginia.edu/OE/junicode/junicode.html)

Is there a way to get long s in Atlantis without selecting a specialized font? (Maybe if you added "Latin" to the list of languages?)

[admin]

Is there a way to get long s in Atlantis without selecting a specialized font? (Maybe if you added "Latin" to the list of languages?)

I am sorry but it cannot be added because there is no such language in Windows.

[Guest]

Wow, must say this is a real speedy forum! Thanks for the numerous answers! I need Uncode-Support for several reasons, but especially for Esperanto. I found the signs at "Latin extended" in MsWord (s, c, g, h, j with a "roof" above).
@admin: would take too much time to choose the right sign every few words, so I need the possibility to insert it per Hotkey...

But also an extern program would be ok... I found the program "z32" from Thomas Bigler (http://home.tiscalinet.ch/t.bigler/), but it doesn't support Hotkeys for single signs. It is based on rtf-Code and that seems to be the reason why it works.

Does anybody know a signtable-program which works with rtf-code AND hotkeys?

bye

[Robert]

admin: would take too much time to choose the right sign every few words, so I need the possibility to insert it per Hotkey...

But also an extern program would be ok... I found the program "z32" from Thomas Bigler (http://home.tiscalinet.ch/t.bigler/), but it doesn't support Hotkeys for single signs. It is based on rtf-Code and that seems to be the reason why it works.

Does anybody know a signtable-program which works with rtf-code AND hotkeys?

bye

Hi, everybody,

You can use the Atlantis Clip Library to add special characters as "symbol" clips. You are then only a few keystrokes away from inserting the required character by simply typing an asterisk + the first 3 characters of the clip name.

To create an Atlantis "symbol" clip, simply open the Atlantis "Symbols" dialog (Insert | Symbols...), choose a font, a language, a symbol, then click the "Add to Clip Library" button. The newly-created clip will be available from the "Symbols" folder of the Atlantis Clip Library.

Also, here are 2 third-party freeware programs to type unusual characters with hot keys:

1) "AllChars"
"AllChars provides a quick, easy-to-remember way of creating accents like é Ü ç î æ and special characters like ƒ ² ‰ © £ ± ß ° 1/2 ¿ « » ™ „ in most Windows programs.
AllChars emulates the *nix Compose key on Windows.
AllChars v3.5 upwards supports macros: type a (short) name and AllChars will replace it with a (long) text.
AllChars is very easy and intuitive in usage and it is possible to adapt it to your wishes.
AllChars is FREEWARE.
AllChars works with Windows 3.11 or Windows 95, 98, ME, NT 4.0 and 2000."

Web Site : http://allchars.zwolnet.com/introduction.html


2) "KeyTweak"
"Would you like a free keyboard remapper for Windows 2000 or XP? Well you've come to the right place. KeyTweak <http://webpages.charter.net/krumsick/Ke ... nstall.exe> makes use of Microsoft's Scancode Map registry key to remap your keyboard. I'm pretty sure this program will also work with Windows NT 4.0"

"KeyTweak v1.11 -- WinXP
KeyTweak is a tool which remaps the keyboard using Microsoft's Scancode Map registry key. It features optional remapping of virtually any key, includes implementation of 'Specialty Keys' support for some keyboards, you can remove all re-mappings with a single button, allows you to enable/disable annoying keys, displays exactly what is written to the 'Scancode Map' registry value & how to interpret its binary data, user warnings help ensure Ctrl-Alt-Delete sequence is maintained, and more. Simply put, KeyTweak is superb. It allows you to change (remap) virtually any key on your keyboard so that it performs another task. This means that keys you don't normally use (say, the Scroll Lock key) can be changed so that it performs a different function. This could be as simple as using it to open the Windows calculator, or it could be used to open your e-mail client or Web browser, change the volume of your sound card up or down, play a CD, or do something else. It offers a huge inventory of potential uses for a key, or keys, you don't normally use. KeyTweak does not have to be loaded for the changes to continue to work because it writes to the Scancode Map registry key and becomes an integrated change within the system. KeyTweak also has a well-presented and detailed Helpfile in HTML format. If you have Windows XP then we recommend that you grab a copy of this program."

Web Site : http://webpages.charter.net/krumsick
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Cheers,
Robert

[mandrael]

I found a way to write in Esperanto with Atlantis: There is a small Russian program named Ek! Yes, I already used it before, but it didn't work. Now I've tuned some settings (agordu-> instalo-> balta-> estona) and Ek! sends Latin-3 signals to Atlantis. With this adjustment it works fine and Atlantis produces Unicode-rtf-dokuments (tested in Ms Word). So the problem is solved for Esperanto-writers, but nevertheless it wouldn't be a bad idea to make Atlantis ready for Unicode in today's global times.

[luha]

OK - so we can use a lot of characters in a lot of strange ways. But I still haven't seen an answer to the original question: (When) can we expext Atlantis to support Unicode?

[Robert]

OK - so we can use a lot of characters in a lot of strange ways. But I still haven't seen an answer to the original question: (When) can we expext Atlantis to support Unicode?

Hi, Luha

Atlantis uses so-called ANSI code pages.

These have been used since computers started.

For ages now, people from East-European countries have been using computers and ANSI code pages to create documents in their own languages without any problem at all.

It so happens that there existed no UNICODE support when they started using computers and keyboards. Most of them are still doing without UNICODE. Simply because they do not need it.

There are code pages for nearly every language outside the Far-Eastern languages (China, Japan, and other countries of East and South-East Asia).

UNICODE is required ONLY for these Far-Eastern languages because they include hundreds and hundreds of different glyphs that could not fit into a traditional ANSI Code Page. All other languages use a rather limited set of characters and fit perfectly within the original ANSI framework.

The problem is not with UNICODE vs NON-UNICODE, but with the fact that keyboards are language-dependent. So you normally cannot type anything but English on an English keyboard, German on a German keyboard, etc.

To work round these restrictions, computer users can install different keyboard layouts. But they are still stuck with keys that do not show the foreign characters that they want to type. There are various ways to work around this. But UNICODE is not really one of them. UNICODE does not really help with this problem.

What's more, UNICODE support is still in its infancy. If you create UNICODE documents, you run the risk that they might very well not be read on a different system or in a different application. Applications with UNICODE support are still few and far between. Even Windows XP and MS Word 2003 have only limited UNICODE support. Your document portability will be far greater if they use ANSI code pages.

Maybe you'd like Atlantis to be very much ahead of its time (wouldn't we all!), but it will be a long time before UNICODE is the established universal standard that we can dream about.

Cheers
Robert