Thank you for the new beta, developers. It's good to see Atlantis still going strong, and the 'close' buttons on the document bar are a nice touch.
I see the advantage of storing user-specific files in the user-specific directory. But 'My Documents' is the folder where I tend to keep my documents, and software-generated folders in that space feel like clutter. Could there be more configurability here? Or could the folder be moved up a rung? Thank you again for this new release.
Best wishes
Rob
Your Docs in My Docs
I am not aware of a better place to store such user-specific files. The "My Documents" folder is secure (i.e. unavailable to other users of a PC). Under Windows Vista & 7, it is easily accessible in Windows Explorer, and by Atlantis itself. Many applications do store user-specific files (not only documents) under the "My Documents" folder.
I do not understand how a new "Atlantis" folder under the "My Documents" folder could be a problem.
I do not understand how a new "Atlantis" folder under the "My Documents" folder could be a problem.
Many applications do store user-specific files (not only documents) under the "My Documents" folder. I do not understand how a new "Atlantis" folder under the "My Documents" folder could be a problem.
Indeed they do, Admin. For users whose primary interest is in music and videos this may not be a problem. But it gets harder to access one's own folders and files when an array of programmes are adding their own material.
I am not aware of a better place to store such user-specific files. The "My Documents" folder is secure...
True. But dictionaries and sound files are not documents, and don't logically belong in a folder called 'My Documents'. But is the user-specific folder of which the documents folder is a part not also secure?
Rob
Indeed they do, Admin. For users whose primary interest is in music and videos this may not be a problem. But it gets harder to access one's own folders and files when an array of programmes are adding their own material.
I am not aware of a better place to store such user-specific files. The "My Documents" folder is secure...
True. But dictionaries and sound files are not documents, and don't logically belong in a folder called 'My Documents'. But is the user-specific folder of which the documents folder is a part not also secure?
Rob
Re: Your Docs in My Docs
Hi Rob,DoctorRob wrote:'My Documents' is the folder where I tend to keep my documents, and software-generated folders in that space feel like clutter. Could there be more configurability here?
I feel the same way as you do regarding the clutter in “MyDocs”. But you’ve got a workaround in Atlantis: you can check the “Use Document Folder” box on the “Tools | Options… > Load / Save” tab and specify a custom folder for your Atlantis documents. You won’t have to face the clutter of folders in “MyDocs” any more!
HTH.
Cheers,
Robert
Your Docs in My Docs
I very much agree with Rob / doctorRob.
Please let us choose for ourselves.
Greetings
Please let us choose for ourselves.
Greetings
Vincent van Gool, Amsterdam
Your Docs in My Docs
I still don't like not to be able to organise as I want 1.6.5.8 to be organised.
Would you, please, be so kind, to make it possible to install the .8 the way it is installed on a USBstick or so.
For good reasons I will have the dates NOT on the C-drive. Wich seems tot be impossible now.
(Maybe i don't understand. Or I miss somthing. Otherwise it is bizar).
Greetings
Would you, please, be so kind, to make it possible to install the .8 the way it is installed on a USBstick or so.
For good reasons I will have the dates NOT on the C-drive. Wich seems tot be impossible now.
(Maybe i don't understand. Or I miss somthing. Otherwise it is bizar).
Greetings
Vincent van Gool, Amsterdam
Hi Vincent,
What did you mean by “For good reasons I will have the dates NOT on the C-drive”?
Did you mean to say “For good reasons I don’t want the Atlantis data to be stored on the C-drive”?
If so, what exactly do you call the “data”? Are these “data” your personal documents? Or are they the per-user application-specific data and settings (like templates, spellcheckers, etc)?
Or did you mean something else?
Where exactly would you like Atlantis to be?
Where would you like the per-user application-specific data and settings (like templates, spellcheckers, etc) to be?
Where would you like the documents you create in Atlantis to be saved to?
What did you mean by “For good reasons I will have the dates NOT on the C-drive”?
Did you mean to say “For good reasons I don’t want the Atlantis data to be stored on the C-drive”?
If so, what exactly do you call the “data”? Are these “data” your personal documents? Or are they the per-user application-specific data and settings (like templates, spellcheckers, etc)?
Or did you mean something else?
Where exactly would you like Atlantis to be?
Where would you like the per-user application-specific data and settings (like templates, spellcheckers, etc) to be?
Where would you like the documents you create in Atlantis to be saved to?
Re: Your Docs in My Docs
Sorry, but Atlantis Word Processor (starting version 1.6.5.8) will not store user-specific files in the way it did before. It is because there were two problems that had to be addressed. Have you read the User-specific files section of the Atlantis 1.6.5.8 (beta) release notes?VJF wrote:Would you, please, be so kind, to make it possible to install the .8 the way it is installed on a USBstick or so.
Your Docs in My Docs
Thank you for your prompt answers, Robert and Admin.
I understand the considerations and deliberations They are logical.
But (@Robert), I want to have my documents in D:\documenten. I can easily find my documents here. Also the document, produced by other programs. (Yes,m I miss tables)
Not infrequently I take some documents with me, on USB. I wish to take also the clip library of Atlantis with me and templates. Then I will in one step copy the map Atlantis. And of course back.
And you are right: i can install Atlantis back to the hard disk. But the documents are again on a place I don't wish.
The third reason is, that when de hard disk crashes, Ioose everything (Of course I tell a ly now: atlantis is still on some USBsticks of mine).
The fourth: I have not to much space on my C: disk. That's why I prefer things as much as possible on the D: or E:
The fifth reason: I wish to decide myself the where's en how's.
Concluding (for myself): The new way to organise is logical and defendible. But leaves too little place to other deliberations/considerations and wishes. Because not necessary for everybody.
I hope you understand my point of view.
Regards,
Vincent
I understand the considerations and deliberations They are logical.
But (@Robert), I want to have my documents in D:\documenten. I can easily find my documents here. Also the document, produced by other programs. (Yes,m I miss tables)
Not infrequently I take some documents with me, on USB. I wish to take also the clip library of Atlantis with me and templates. Then I will in one step copy the map Atlantis. And of course back.
And you are right: i can install Atlantis back to the hard disk. But the documents are again on a place I don't wish.
The third reason is, that when de hard disk crashes, Ioose everything (Of course I tell a ly now: atlantis is still on some USBsticks of mine).
The fourth: I have not to much space on my C: disk. That's why I prefer things as much as possible on the D: or E:
The fifth reason: I wish to decide myself the where's en how's.
Concluding (for myself): The new way to organise is logical and defendible. But leaves too little place to other deliberations/considerations and wishes. Because not necessary for everybody.
I hope you understand my point of view.
Regards,
Vincent
Vincent van Gool, Amsterdam
Vincent,
I do understand your point of view. But you have workarounds.
1. Atlantis is installed by default in “C:\Program Files\Atlantis”. But you can perfectly install Atlantis to a different drive and/or folder. You could install Atlantis to “D:\Atlantis” for example.
2. On the Atlantis “Tools | Options… > Load / Save” tab, you can specify the “Document Folder” Atlantis should be using by default to open or save documents. You could perfectly well enter “D:\documenten” instead of “C:\Documents and Settings\<User>\My documents”, which is the default install value. Atlantis would then use “D:\documenten” to open and save documents. You would easily find your documents in there.
3. If you don’t like to have the “My Docs” folder on your “C:” drive, you can change its location and move it to another drive. All you have to do is to right-click the “My Documents folder” in Windows Explorer, choose “Properties” from the menu, and display the “Location” tab. Press the “Move” button and direct Windows Explorer to the new location for your My Documents folder. OK out of all dialogs.
You will find detailed explanations for Windows 7 at http://www.w7forums.com/change-location ... -t338.html, and http://headstrongfarm.hubpages.com/hub/ ... _Documents.
4. If you have Windows 7, you can make good use of its “Libraries”. Here is from http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/de ... aries.aspx:
HTH.
Cheers,
Robert
I do understand your point of view. But you have workarounds.
1. Atlantis is installed by default in “C:\Program Files\Atlantis”. But you can perfectly install Atlantis to a different drive and/or folder. You could install Atlantis to “D:\Atlantis” for example.
2. On the Atlantis “Tools | Options… > Load / Save” tab, you can specify the “Document Folder” Atlantis should be using by default to open or save documents. You could perfectly well enter “D:\documenten” instead of “C:\Documents and Settings\<User>\My documents”, which is the default install value. Atlantis would then use “D:\documenten” to open and save documents. You would easily find your documents in there.
3. If you don’t like to have the “My Docs” folder on your “C:” drive, you can change its location and move it to another drive. All you have to do is to right-click the “My Documents folder” in Windows Explorer, choose “Properties” from the menu, and display the “Location” tab. Press the “Move” button and direct Windows Explorer to the new location for your My Documents folder. OK out of all dialogs.
You will find detailed explanations for Windows 7 at http://www.w7forums.com/change-location ... -t338.html, and http://headstrongfarm.hubpages.com/hub/ ... _Documents.
4. If you have Windows 7, you can make good use of its “Libraries”. Here is from http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/de ... aries.aspx:
So maybe you could put all your Atlantis-related files into a Windows 7 “Library”, and use that “Atlantis Library” to copy your Atlantis files to and from your USB stick.Earlier version of Windows like Windows Vista and XP, included sets of special folders for storing user’s content such as “My Documents” and “My Pictures.” In Windows Vista, these special folders where automatically indexed to allow users to perform faster more efficient searches on their content. Even so, many users, me included, store their files, music, and pictures all over the PC in various folders like c:\temp, d:\Birthday2008\pictures, or even in remote storage. We refer to this as storing data outside the user’s profile storage space. This affects the indexing and therefore the entire search experience, and often sends the user on a small quest to try to find their content.
So, in Windows 7, Libraries tries to address the problem of users' content stored all over the PC by allowing users to have full control over their “Documents Library” folder structure. Meaning that in Windows 7, users can define which folders to include in the Documents Library. This is true for any Library. Therefore, we can say that Libraries are user-defined collections of content. By including folders in Libraries, the user is telling Windows where his important data is located. The system will index folders, to enable fast searching and stacking based on file properties.
In Windows 7, users will go to Libraries in order to manage their documents, music, pictures, and other files. As you can see in Windows Explorer and the Common File Dialog, Libraries are an integral part of the Windows Shell. This integration is very important because it enables users to browse their files the same way they would in a folder, which means there is no new behavior to learn. Clicking on the Documents Library shows you your documents. Moreover, due to the fact that libraries are integrated into the Windows Shell, users can perform searches and filter results by properties like date, type, and author in both Windows Explorer and the Common File Dialog. In other words, by using libraries, users get to enjoy storage that is both flexible and indexed.
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The Windows 7 default Libraries setting has one main Library called “Libraries” that contains four predefined default Libraries: Documents, Music, Pictures, and Videos. Users can save and copy files directly to a library…
HTH.
Cheers,
Robert
Your Docs in My Docs
Robert,
Thanks again. And a lot. Solutions for almost all my wishes.
Vriendelijke groet,
Vincent van Gool, Amsterdam
Thanks again. And a lot. Solutions for almost all my wishes.
Vriendelijke groet,
Vincent van Gool, Amsterdam
Vincent van Gool, Amsterdam
OK, a good reason to move the files. Is there a reason you chose to place them in User\My Documents, rather than User\AppData (like, say, every other word processor out there, uTorrent, and Firefox)? This is exactly the kind of thing that's meant to go there, and would address everyone's complaints above."read the User-specific files section of the Atlantis 1.6.5.8 (beta) release notes":
When an application tries to create a file under the "Program Files" folder on these new systems, Windows makes the application believe that the file was created under the required folder, but the file is actually created under a special "Virtual Store" folder. So after saving a new document template to "C:\Program Files\Atlantis\Templates", Atlantis users were sometimes dismayed because they could not find the template in the expected location
Until that change has been made, I have uninstalled Atlantis from my hard drive, and copied over the Atlantis folder from my flash drive to the C: drive, where it will hopefully not create any folders I don't want.
Storing such files under "My documents" is a standard practice. I can name dozens of popular applications that store their user-specific files under "My documents".
Atlantis could not store its user-specific files under AppData because it is not a public folder. It is normally hidden (not visible in a file manager). The Atlantis folder with user-specific files cannot be hidden because there are plenty of reasons why users might need to access this folder with a file manager.
Atlantis could not store its user-specific files under AppData because it is not a public folder. It is normally hidden (not visible in a file manager). The Atlantis folder with user-specific files cannot be hidden because there are plenty of reasons why users might need to access this folder with a file manager.