Some images zoomed to full page size

[cjseasyaspie]

I write tutorials and maintain a website (CJ’s Easy As Pie Kindle Tutorials) to help others publish to the Amazon Kindle and other eBooks.

I have been using MS Word with great success, but I recently discovered Atlantis, and was very excited with the prospect of an easier and more complete solution for my “Newbie” users.

I’ve been testing with Atlantis for some time now, and have *almost* everything working beautifully.

The *almost* concerns images.

I am testing an image-heavy book that displays perfectly when converted for the Kindle or ePub from MS Word.

But, that same Word file… opened with Atlantis, and saved as an eBook (Save Special | Save as eBook), renders some images correctly, while others are blown up to full page in the resulting eBook.

I’ve tried everything I find to do within Atlantis, including reducing image quality to the point that the image is unrecognizable, and, in other tests, changing the size to match other images that render correctly, without success.

Certain images (always the same images) that were no more than 2 x 3 inches, for example, are blown up to full page size by Save Special | Save as eBook.

Can someone help me get on the right track?

Thanks!

[Robert]

Hi,
Please take a look at this thread:
Some images zoomed to full page size

As I understand things, Atlantis considers any picture bigger than 200x200 pixels in size as a “large image” fit to be displayed “full screen” on the eReaders. And the EPUB code is generated accordingly.

Now if you want any of these “large” pictures to be displayed “inline” and not “full screen” on the eReaders, all you need to do is to place the insertion point right after the picture in the source document, then press “Shift+Enter”. When “large” pictures are associated with line breaks in this way, Atlantis treats them as if they weren’t “large” pictures, and they are inserted as inline images in the generated EPUB file.

HTH.
Cheers,
Robert

[cjseasyaspie]

I’m sorry, I didn’t see this before I posted my message. I had searched the forum without finding any mention of the image zoom problem, so had given up and prepared my request for help off line, before the USA Independence Day Holiday, then came back this morning and posted it without noticing the previous message.

Yes… that solution will work… but as far as I can see right now, must be applied by hand to each image, not a good solution for my Newbies audience.

I use a Word Style tag, created and named by me, “Illustration with Caption”, to place my images, centered, in their own paragraphs.

Next comes a paragraph break, and a Style tag named Caption, for the caption.

Now… after reading your solution… when I change that paragraph break after the image to a manual line break, then the zoom does not happen.

So… now I know how to fix this problem, one image at a time… but for my Newbie readers, I need to put the fix into a Style tag… and I’m not yet sure that can be done, since a manual line break requires direct formatting.

Also… it creates another line under the image that may be one line too many when space is very tight.

Could you, by any chance, use a different “do-nothing” character that could be included in the Style tag?

Thanks!

Hi,
Please take a look at this thread:
Some images zoomed to full page size

As I understand things, Atlantis considers any picture bigger than 200x200 pixels in size as a “large image” fit to be displayed “full screen” on the eReaders. And the EPUB code is generated accordingly.

Now if you want any of these “large” pictures to be displayed “inline” and not “full screen” on the eReaders, all you need to do is to place the insertion point right after the picture in the source document, then press “Shift+Enter”. When “large” pictures are associated with line breaks in this way, Atlantis treats them as if they weren’t “large” pictures, and they are inserted as inline images in the generated EPUB file.

HTH.
Cheers,
Robert

[cjseasyaspie]

Hi,
Please take a look at this thread:
Some images zoomed to full page size

As I understand things, Atlantis considers any picture bigger than 200x200 pixels in size as a “large image” fit to be displayed “full screen” on the eReaders. And the EPUB code is generated accordingly.

Now if you want any of these “large” pictures to be displayed “inline” and not “full screen” on the eReaders, all you need to do is to place the insertion point right after the picture in the source document, then press “Shift+Enter”. When “large” pictures are associated with line breaks in this way, Atlantis treats them as if they weren’t “large” pictures, and they are inserted as inline images in the generated EPUB file.

HTH.
Cheers,
Robert

Robert,

Thanks for the help...

I did read the other thread, and I agree with that poster... it is most disconcerting to carefully format and size an image, then have Atlantis zoom it to full page size.

As I suspected, the fix you gave me... to add a manual line break below the image, will work... one image at a time... but, since a manual line break is "direct formatting", it can't be added to the Template and the Style for the image.

This will make Atlantis unusable for formatting for Amazon's Kindle where a book has a large number of images.

To give an example of how great Atlantis was for Kindle formatting before this "image zoom" feature was added:

Last November, I was asked to format a math technical manual that contained over 1200 images.

The author, a math professor, had carefully formatted each page with images exactly the size -- from thumbnail to full-page -- needed to handle math symbols, calculations, and equations.

Can you imagine what that would have been like if Atlantis had zoomed some of them to full screen size?

But, that didn't happen:

Using Atlantis Save Special | Save as eBook, then feeding the eBook to Amazon Kindle Previewer, a beautifully-formatted Kindle format book was created, and is now published on Amazon's Kindle publishing platform.

He then submitted the eBook (that was created by Atlantis) to Barnes & Noble, and it was accepted for publication there.

To make matters even better... I was able to make a few changes to the eBook (that was created by Atlantis), then it passed Apple's requirements, and is now also published by Apple.

I don't know which version of Atlantis I was using. I sent the author the final version of his book in eBook format and in Kindle format, about the middle of November.

The next time I tried to use Atlantis for an image-heavy book, the result was distorted images, and some pages that contained bullets or other symbols, were also distorted.

Since I'd had such good luck before, I thought Atlantis was in the midst of making some changes and just didn't have the bugs worked out yet, but, since I had to get the book out, I went back to Word to complete it.

I just recently came back to Atlantis, thinking the "bugs" would be fixed... but NO! That is what Atlantis intends!

So now I understand WHAT is going on... I just don't understand WHY.

I have not worked with every ebook format in the world... but I have with many... and for all I have worked with, the person preparing the manuscript determines the images formats and sizes, so there is no need for the converting software (Atlantis) to figure out "what size will please everyone" (as was mentioned in another thread.).

Is it possible this feature could go into Options... so it could be selected or deselected as needed for an individual book?

Otherwise, Atlantis is almost useless for converting to Kindle format.

Thanks very much!

[admin]

We will come up with a solution soon.

[BobC]

Please do!!! We can't review hundreds of images, nor manually do the line break. Also, in my case, the full page images don't constraint proportions, and that's a problem too. Personally, I don't think the is any need to blowing up the images, that should be left to the designer.

And you see, for all of us users, Atlantis is the very best, miles ahead. Most of us don't like it, we LOVE IT. By the way, I was one of the first users of Atlantis Nova, which, in it's times, was already great plus being freeware.

Thanks a load in advance!

Bob

[cjseasyaspie]

We will come up with a solution soon.

THANK YOU!

[cjseasyaspie]

Please do!!! We can't review hundreds of images, nor manually do the line break. Also, in my case, the full page images don't constraint proportions, and that's a problem too. Personally, I don't think the is any need to blowing up the images, that should be left to the designer.

And you see, for all of us users, Atlantis is the very best, miles ahead. Most of us don't like it, we LOVE IT. By the way, I was one of the first users of Atlantis Nova, which, in it's times, was already great plus being freeware.

Thanks a load in advance!

Bob

Thanks, Bob!

I agree, I don't just "like" Atlantis... I am head over heels in LOVE with it.

I am a die-hard MS Word fan, and it works so well to format for the Kindle, that I just saw no need to look for anything else.

Then, a few months ago, one of my readers posted about Atlantis in the comments section on my website, so I decided to try it... and all I can say is WOW!

Getting a math book with 1200 images accepted by Apple was a very big gosh darn deal!

I don't speak Apple, and I don't have a MAC, so the way "we" did it was... my client would submit the eBook I had created with Atlantis, then send me a list of the errors Apple spit out to him... I would fix those, and he would submit again... and I'd fix the errors again, etc... till one fine day, there were no more errors, and the eBook was accepted!

Thanks again!

[BobC]

1200 images, good Heavens... i never made a book with more that 500! Congratulations!!! And... welcome to Atlantis, you'll find out, the more you use it the more you love it. Not only that, the support is maybe the greatest you'll find out. They'll probably fix this is a couple of days or so.

Bob

[BobC]

Hello Robert or Admin,

please, until the problem with images is solved, can we have a link to download the last version before this problem arose. How do we downgrade? Just uninstall the last version and then install the older one?

Thanks in advance
Bob

[admin]

The new build of Atlantis Word Processor (1.6.5.10) is available. Let's call it a "pre-official beta".

If you are interested in testing it, please click the following link to download its setup file:
http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/en ... is16en.exe
Run the setup, and follow the onscreen instructions to upgrade your Atlantis.

So what's new in this version?

The "Save as eBook" command of Atlantis now saves images from a source document to EPUB "as is", i.e. without "zooming" them in any way.

If there is a picture in your document that you want to be "zoomed to full page size" when viewed in eReaders (for example, if you have a cover image on the first page of the source document), all you need is to double-click that picture in the source document, and check the new "Zoom to fit page" box:



The picture would be "zoomed to full page size" when viewed in eReaders, and in the Atlantis document window as well. So now you could easily find out which pictures from your document would be saved to EPUB "zoomed to full page size".

Please share your thoughts on this new version of Atlantis.

[BobC]

Hi Admin,

Thanks a load! As I said... you would take about a couple of days to solve this. Actually, I didn't dare to suggest the solution you implemented, I just thought it would be fine.

Once again, thank you and the great Atlantis team.
Bob

[cjseasyaspie]

THANK YOU... THIS WORKS GREAT!

I also wanted to take this opportunity to mention that the Atlantis zoomed images look great... much better, I think, than if I had simply increased the image with my own software.

I haven't actually directly compared Atlantis zoomed images against images enlarged with MS Word, so I'm not certain the Atlantis zoomed images are more clear and sharp, but that's my impression.

This eBook I am using for testing, is a customer book, a history of their company, containing many old photographs. Some are portraits, but others appear to be candid snapshots.

They look so good when zoomed by Atlantis, that I really regret that I can't use them... but, of course, I can't.

Thanks again!

[admin]

I am not sure that there is anything special about the image zooming in Atlantis.

I really regret that I can't use them... but, of course, I can't.

Anything that displays on a monitor screen is copyable by anyone. Just make a screen capture of the zoomed image by pressing the Print Screen key. Then paste the screen capture to MS Paint, and retrieve the zoomed image from the screen capture.

[admin]

We have made a change to the new experimental version of Atlantis Word Processor (1.6.5.10).

Eliminating the automatic image zooming entirely was like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Atlantis will save cover pictures "zoomed to fit page" to EPUBs even when the "Zoom to fit page" option is unchecked for them in the "Format | Picture..." dialog. Saving cover pictures non-"zoomed to fit page" does not make any practical sense. But you still have a way to prevent a cover picture from being saved "zoomed to fit page". Just use a trick that worked in older versions of Atlantis - add any extra character (a space, a line break, etc) to the host paragraph of the cover picture in the source document.

So the version 1.6.5.10 saves cover pictures to EPUB in the same way as older versions of Atlantis.

The setup file of the latest build of Atlantis 1.6.5.10 is here:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en ... is16en.exe
Run the setup, and follow the onscreen instructions to upgrade.

[rstroud]

I am really glad that I found this thread. I have posted here before, I think, since I found a username and password that I had recorded for the board, but it has been a while.

I bought a license for Atlantis a year ago this month, and I use Atlantis for developing ebook materials, as well as for some creative writing (destined for ebook format). It is a fantastic program for producing an ebook in epub format. I use Tweak and Sigil to make any changes that I have to, thanks to the patronizing arrogance of Kindle and Nook in automatically indenting the first line of every paragraph unless you include code in every style not to do that. (Why do they do this, as if we lacked the good sense to use a first-line indent when we WANT to?)

Like the others, I am a real fan of the program. But I have spent the day trying to figure out what had happened with the graphics. Last fall I wrote about 35 pages of statistics notes in epub format for someone that I was helping with that subject, and I had all sorts of graphs and formulas which I had included. Everything worked great. Then yesterday, when I resumed work on those notes and was using graphics again, I discovered the issue that the others have discussed here.

I will download the "pre-beta" right now.

Thanks, all!

Roland Stroud

[rstroud]

The "pre-beta" 1.6.5.10 works great.

Thanks!